Thanks for ideas. I did not think to disable Upnp in HG; I do have a couple of my camera servers set up as web browsers from inside HG. They DO use different ports!
I did try with inbound, then outbound, port rules using my 8316 port. First time thru I had it working with every program added and both in/outbound ports open for everything (priv,domain,public on everything) even added the 3 exe prog to the in/outbound rules! Once it worked, I began deleting one at a time… eventually it stopped working again, so I figured I found the one I needed; put It back and still no go. then began adding back each one in order that I took out. no go. only turning off private firewall altogether opens it up!
One test was to put HG back on port 80; still would not work.
BUT another thing you bring up: you say TCP for the rules? I thought when I tried TCP it did not work - until I changed the inbound rule to UDP… I never tried TCP again after that… So another good idea I can try!
I am trying to get a port scanner to show me what is going on. I use wireshark on occasion; maybe it will reveal a new clue.